Interesting. I was responding towards some thoughts that assumed the idea that the human/fae issue was equal in the eyes of the audience, when clearly it isn’t. The mitigating circumstance is that is exactly that Lauren is vying for the lead and not a secondary character. That was stated in the middle of my post. Kenzi’s “equivalent” scene wasn’t fucking, it wasn’t nude, and it wasn’t the issue that 4.07 was. Kissing women in a fantasy for seven seconds doesn’t even equate to what happened last season.
I know. I completely agree. It’s an interesting intersection to see the disparity between how Kenzi/Hale and Bo/Lauren are treated, and how Lauren’s character (while 4th billed and not as front centered) is with regards to her sexuality and respect. I loved this shot of the group because Lauren saved Dyson’s life AND Bo’s life by figuring out the how and risking her own to go in after Bo.
But look who gets the credit.
Label Free Lost Girl and the Difficulty of Lauren.
There is an extremely uncomfortable feeling sometimes that Lauren’s sexuality is the only one on the show in question, hidden (via Bo in 3.11) or visually waffled to be mutable to others (sigh 4.07).
The human/fae dynamic paralleling issues of discrimination that gay couples and individuals receive from the world around them. Children, perceived longevity, hard vs easy. Fleeting. Utterly short-term.
Kenzi. Lauren. Both human. Both in love with fae. Completely different treatments.
Lost Girl could really use this disparity of species to translate for the audience why discrimination is foolish and shouldn’t matter. The comments to Kenzi from Hale’s family, the comments from Dyson to Kenzi when he was upset with her (in 2.03) “bloody human”. All of this is construed to show immediate status of “lesser”. So it isn’t just Lauren in a sense, it’s also Kenzi that gets the discrimination bullet.
But here’s the vital show difference. Kenzi isn’t in love with the female protagonist. Nor was she a slave to this race. Nor was she used by them. And from Day 1, DAY ONE, she is shown better care and treatment from the entire fae character set. She is said to be the fire that fuels Bo, she is look after, cared about by both the Blood King and the supposed human angst issue fae, Dyson. She is allowed the courtesy of awe and respect because she’s a human who has Geraldine and fights for things in very clear and visual physical way. She is allowed to identify and remain strictly hetero.
Lauren was categorized by every character but Bo. She received begrudging respect in season 4. SEASON FOUR. And it wasn’t through an organic growth (she got a verbal nod in 3.13 “she is a genius”), it was a toss up from Dyson’s magnanimous proclamation on 4.8. SEASON FOUR, EPISODE EIGHT. After a season of him telling her what to do, after a two seasons of him being rather impish about her humanity, and leaving her on the side of the road, keeping her out of the way so he could have his time with the protagonist. Sure that’s all respectful, they should Hug It Out. Again a request from him which she then has to just give in to. Kenzi (her fellow human) regarded her as a hamster wheel, showed her discourtesy until the beginning of 4.01. With that one time phone message speech that she never gave Lauren face to face. The Kenzi point is where the audience goes nuts. Kenzi doesn’t like her, why should we? Lauren is allowed to remain “whatever she is”, which we assume is rather strictly lady loving, but her message is muted in the visual wtfery of 4.07 and as the object of Dyson’s mild flirtation.
The reality is, the GA and Dyson fans have ZERO problem with Kenzi dating Hale. ZERO. I’ve never seen one sly word on FB, or any of the forums that she is less than worthy of Hale’s love because she will only live 100 years. Never. She’s never had to flagrante fuck her rival lover (woman) in a long shot (as a different character of course), everyone’s ok with her marrying Hale, etc. They never question her sexual identity.
Compare that with the GA and Dyson fans over Lauren who have HUGE problems with Lauren dating Bo. 100%. Every other post on FB and forums is she’s not fae. She can’t sustain Bo, she’ll die soon, she’s weak, blaa blaa blaa. The inclusion of her in full cast plots has been rather problematic for the entirety of the show, giving an outsider feel to Lauren. No one is ok with Bo dating her, sure Trick gives it lip service and than says “oh it’ll be over soon”, THEN You can have Bo. (like the decision was never up to Bo, or that she was just some prize Dyson had to wait for. PS. This problem has NEVER been addressed or countered by Lost Girl as yet). She flagrante fucks Dyson in a long shot. (different character of course). Is referred to as a different gender in one episode and isn’t present frequently? Are we seeing the difference yet? And the GA CONSTANTLY questions her sexual identity.
The show does this. The show. It is the narrative they allow, for good or for ill.
I’d believe Dyson’s growth this season if it wasn’t strictly attached to penis fixation—> He let Bo go because Rainer (dude and fae) was boinking Bo and Bo “seemed” in love. It was Rainer, NOT LAUREN, that made him say ok… Bo’s gone. I’ll go boink Tamsin. And the second, THE VERY SECOND he’s dead, he’s all I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YOU BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Lauren doesn’t really register on his radar. And while they now have a playful banterish “bro” relationship as it were, who had to drop all the fall out to the inequality? Who has to brush it all aside in the face of the BIGGEST non-apology ever? And that’s ok, the show wants to move on. But they sure as shit didn’t give it the time of day it deserved.
LG does send out a decent “Label-Free” vibe. That’s a good thing, and something they have done fairly well. I will never argue this point, while keeping in mind that men are never cast in a mutable light.
However, the parallels of Lost Girl, without the demonstration of how one come to terms with a level of disrespect, discourtesy and apology…without the resonating impact= no one gets the message.
It’s all still surface bullshit that doesn’t click as impactfully as it should. And I will say the double standard between Dyson and Lauren is atrocious with motivations (if not screentime), exposition, and conversation. It is utterly a joke to say it’s all fixed when they never really gave it the time of day.
If this was poly, if this is where the show wants to go, I’m not opposed to it. Frankly many many people don’t have a problem with Bo having both, but the sad thing is in that regard that the human end of things will always get the shorter stick in that dynamic. Its utterly imbalanced, and I’m left wondering if they can or will address that ever in S5. I’ve been waiting four years now for Bo to just touch on it ONE TIME. Beyond a one liner. A real conversation.
Just some doccubus social issue ramblings on a sunday.
Watching Lost Girl is hard when you don’t know what it is. It’s harder when you don’t know what it’s become. Season four carried a confusing story line. It was lost for years. Searching while hiding (pacing and the hexagon). Only to show that it doesn’t make sense. I won’t guess anymore. I will interpret it the way I choose.
Ah ahh-ah ah ah ah.
Cough. Hacx. Lol. Yep.
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Lost Girl Season 4 & the Issue of Feminism and Equality via a necklace: A rant via episodic breakdown
Dyson and Bo.
Lauren and Bo.
Passive and Active Character movement.
Equal viability. Equal treatment? No.
Where’s the priority in the writing? What is being valued and validated on my TV? Why must I accept the flawless intentions of this show as pro-woman (lets put the non-straight relationship to the side for a second), when Bo is left standing outside of proactive decision making 90% of the time?
I’m not sure I can look this thing objectively, that’s a given. I loved the promise of Lost Girl too much to not be affected by what it does.
Someone was talking about JF, the intentions of the show as being 100% altrustic in regards to equality to doccubus to dybo, in regards to active feminism. Because of a big lesbian pendant = Bo and Lauren’s love. A Labrys.
I am left sincerely scratching my head. When I attempt to just look at the story. I see a huge discrepancy in screen time, dialogue, and value. Between Dyson/Bo and Lauren/Bo. I even see it with Dyson/Bo and Kenzi/Bo taking Lauren completely OUT of it for these last 2 seasons.
What gets cut? Time after time, we are made aware of Lauren scenes, lines of dialogue. The Syfy versions that JF has stated he has complete editing choice over? What goes? Lauren scenes. Every time. Who’s motivations are on screened? Dyson’s. Who gets a two minute speech every other episode to tell Bo how deeply he feels and commits? Dyson. Who winds up telling us instead of showing us constantly for her backstory, her work, her feelings for Bo? Lauren.
Even Bo feels more like a passenger this season. Passive. Sure she saves the human family, Dyson, Lauren and Rainer from his “train”. But it’s because someone forces her to. It’s reactive. It’s never proactive.
The proactive actions come from male individuals. The relationship dialogue? Belongs to Dyson. Last season. This season. I really have to break it down. The behaviors allowed seem to follow a pattern. In the end, I have to offer this season up to the gods of inequality, because it was the very definition of it.
Episode 1—>Dyson decides Bo needs to be rescued.
Episode 2—>Dyson prevents female characters from acting because he knows best.
Episode 3—> Bo does choose to save the human family, but again Dyson fumbles her choices, marries her to save her, and tells her that Lauren can fix her own flat tire. Bo caves to his assurances of knowledge. [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 4—>Bo listens to Dyson’s wise direction on not looking for Lauren. She asks, he tells her what to do, she complies. Bo whines about her amnesia, yells at Kenzi for her Dyson time, whines about how Lauren betrayed her, and callously has Massimo set himself on fire. [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 5—> Bo whines about being dark, tells Lauren off about her “real” family, and is rather passive again because a man (Rainer) has made her choice for her.
Episode 6—> Dudes fighting for control of a woman’s power. Woman singer thwarts them both in the end, but her freedom is herself dying. There’s no justice. [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 7—>Dyson fest. “You inside me for once” “I think I’ll wait around to be rescued for once (since I do it all the time)” Nuff said. ZP played it magnificently, but lesbian character body boinked by male lead body FOR A LONG TIME in the shot = all around dick editor/writer move. [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 8—>Dyson proclaims a truce with Lauren. Yay. Bo runs around and does… NOTHING. Except realize she’s a scared little girl.
Episode 9—>Rainer is Bo’s one true love. “Rescues him.” He rescues her from decision making. Bo is vapid and happy and apparently 100% herself in LOVE. (which is later recanted…somehow) [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 10—>FINALLY, Lauren interacts with the gang as more than a foil for Dyson’s undying Bo love. (1st TIME ALL SEASON) EPISODE 10. Rainer tells Bo what to do. Bo does it. Less problematic because Lauren is a kickass scientist awesome pants.
Episode 11—>Hale invites Kenzi’s family over. (dudes know best). Bo is about to fight? Wait Dyson did it. Bo has to catfight LH for the male gaze for 2 min. WTF IS THAT? Kenzi is beat up, no recourse to fight back, Hale dies, Bo does NOTHING. [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 12—> Rainer tells Bo what to do. Bo does it. Lauren tells Bo everything she’s done is for her (this scene lasts 40seconds, Bo doesn’t respond beyond an asshole jib) [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship]
Episode 13—> Rainer finally dies. Bo finally chooses to go see what Lauren’s up to (thanks for the heads up Massimo otherwise she would never know where to look). [Dyson gets to talk to Bo for 2 minutes about their relationship] BUT, BUT! Bo puts on a necklace. A cylon raider necklace. This is supposed to signify her choice. But man, is it NOT talked about whatsoever beyond “hey you put it on,” “hey I like it”.
ZERO DEPTH. And that’s my problem. With JF. With the writing, with the message, with the visual agenda.
I used to see tons of value with Bo, being a free sexual agent. Choosing her fights, her reactions were hers and her actions were PROACTIVE. Lauren and Dyson felt more viable as equals in the audience’s eyes.
Now? Yes, this season was LG turned upside down. And not the better for it. Women protagonist passengers = no forward growth. Bo is not an inspiration, her actions based so often on what a man has to say. But here, have a necklace. It’s all better now, right? We threw you a bone, go promote how amazing our show is.
You know what? No.
Give us back our Ladies and their impactful MOVEMENT. Without it, Lost Girl stands still.
Lauren continues to be separated from the rest of the cast. Constantly. It speaks to the hiatus spoilers that rarely include her, the dissonance the GA feels with her, etc.
The “three scenes” refers to a shot of them side by side in a frame. Literally every shoot of Bo and Lauren interaction is a back and forth. The side by side shots happened in 4.05 as they made out, and then the Vex chase. They were again side by side in 4.07 (at the table where Dyson flirted with Bo outrageously and Lauren looked like her heart was just torn out) and then again when they “rescued” Dyson in 4.07. Literally that’s it besides the finale.
Dyson, Kenzi, Tamsin, Trick all are shown 5-25 times more side by side with Bo in frame.
It sends a visual message. Like everything else with Lost Girl, the relationships are unequal. In every aspect but chemistry. There ZP has KHR (normally) beat by quite a bit. This last season tho? Wasn’t feeling it.
You know this is one of only three scenes this season where they appear side by side in the frame.
I’ve missed them.
Good Lord Rainer. No one cares. Show, why do you devote so much time to people we don’t give a shit about?
As a note, Kenzi has now spent more time with Massimo than Hale this season.
As another note, in the 4 episodes they actually shared screen time,
(40sec in La Fae Epoque, 2min in Destiny’s Child, 5min in Waves)
Lauren and Kenzi have spent less than 8min together in the same scene this entire season, and the only time they’ve actually talked to each other was in Waves.
Lauren has had more interaction with Dyson this season than Bo. On a scale of 4x magnitude.
There has been zero interaction between Lauren and Tamsin.
As a reminder, Lauren didn’t interact with the main cast until episode 5 of Season 4, and only then it was with Bo. She didn’t interact with more of the main cast till episode 8.
S h i n j i Moon
Yeah, either one or the other or both. I think it would slay Bo if it was both, so probably too much, but a part of me would say hell yes. Hurt, you mothereffing succubus. HURT but we love you. So fix it. S5.